I have one question:  "Can illegal aliens be drafted to serve in the Military?"

Our country is not were it is today because of "Illegal Aliens."  The people who came here wanted to make their lives better, to make America better.  As much as they loved their birth countries, they could not tolerate the living conditions in those countries.  They soon realized that they had a much better deal here, and they had no desire to change America into what they ran away from.  They got permission to enter the U.S., they became citizens, they educated their children to be loyal and responsible citizens, they and their children served in the military, and many of them suffered and died for the same reason.

Sorry, but no city, state, or area  of our country  belongs to Mexico.  The Mexican-American War (1846 to 1848) settled that question.  "Remember the Alamo."

Maybe you should talk to early settlers, There was no immigration when they came to this country, if you were healthy you were in. is a little bit different now.

And yes, they are illegal immigrants serving our country, they are serving, some are cops, firefighters, doctors, you name it. You don’t hear abut them because they don fit the profile. Did you know that must of the landscaping workers are legal? They come here on temporary work visas. Also, they are not all from Mexico!!!!

El Critico, I think you are purposely evading my question.  I explicitly asked about " Illegal Aliens" and explicitly about the "Military" not about "cops, firefighters, doctors, or you name it."

Also, the people we are discussing  are not the people with temporary work visas or student visas.  We are discussing people, who have no Visa of any kind.

I may be a "committee of one," but I doubt it, feel that people, who have "legally" applied for a visa, should be  welcomed,  encouraged, and appreciated for their talents, knowledge, and contributions.  We can learn from each other and that class of people can only make our country richer.

Because of my Hungarian-born grandparents, I have alway loved learning about different people and their cultures.  For me, which country or culture  they are from is totally irrelevant.

Border Fence – I have thought about this solution over the past few years because our northern and southern borders have always been,  continue to be, and will always be  too vulnerable, and seem impossible to guard any other way, and a fence/wall  would solve more than one problem.  As it would be a Federal venture, it would be a very legal, straightforward solution.

Other countries having border troubles recognize the dangers involved and have been or are currently doing it on a smaller scale, but for the same reasons:  to increase security and combat terrorism, to prevent unauthorized movement of people and goods  (especially drugs).  These are neither unique nor unsolvable problems.  China did it very effectively over 2,000 years ago using only manpower.  It ended up being almost 4,000 miles long.

Other benefits might be:  stimulation of the economy by providing more jobs and demand for goods, less demand for specially trained individuals, who are in short supply and needed to police other internal and foreign problems, prevent loss of life, and it would be more long-lasting.  Certainly, it would also be beneficial to both our neighbors in the north and south for same reasons listed above.  Those countries, especially Canada, would probably realize the payback of such a venture, and be willing to share some of the cost.  – “What’s not to like?”

My post to you is not to argue with points you made regarding cheap labor and the greedy and unloyal companies, which choose to put financial gains first and our country second.  Your points are perceptive and well made.  Also very true, just because a country is part of the  North American Continent, that in no way means that they are a citizen of another country in the North American Continent, which  our some our Mexican neighbors have been attempting to make us believe.

You may have already received correspondence that the countries in the North American Continent, not South American,  and part of, what I consider to be either deceptive, ill-advised, or short-sighted by our government, the NAFTA Agreement, which  are:  United States, Canada, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Cuba, El Salvador, Panama, Honduras, Trinidad and Tabago, and Haiti.

Thank you.

When I said serving our country I meant serving in the military also. I added the cops and the rest of professions to illustrate that they are illegal immigrants in all walks of lives, including the military service. If somebody has the choice to be in this country legally, trust me, they would.

A fence will not fix anything, we can not afford one and they will find the way to get in.

How many terrorist in 9/11 cross the Mexican border? Must of them came from Canada, so if you are going to talk about security, maybe you should also look north and build a wall there. And please tell me, who is going to build the wall?

I would very much like to talk to the early settlers, but I cannot do this.  I would very much like to talk to my great grandparents and previous ancestors to question and know the "truth of why they did the things they did."   Neither you nor I can do this.

Of course, you may or not agree with the following:

True, during the time of the early settlers there were no immigration laws because they weren't needed, and many European Countries, like England, were using the "New World" as a dumping gound to get rid of their "undesirables, their trouble-makers, their criminals," people who were of the wrong religion, wrong political affiliations, etc.  The same is true for the South American Continent, like Australia.  Many things that occurred during the Colonization Period, I think. were very immoral, but I cannot undo them.  I do know this though, some attitudes, beliefs, and laws filter down to future generations and are often wrong or irrelavent and need to be changed.

 Your ancestors and my ancestors were  trying to solve their problems, not our problems.

History books and other literature of or from any country are a guide, but are not always totally truthful, becaused  often the current government or authors are biased and  want to erase the past, make their country or society look "good", or influence current political objectives.  True here as well as elsewhere.

Great, let’s ignore books, History and the past. From now on we will listen to you and believe whatever you have to say. Since you are going to solve our problems, I’m ready to do what you say. Where you we meet to build the wall? Do I bring materials?

I think this might be a historic time, but I’m wondering who is going to write this?

Just because I’m expressing an opinion, in no way means that I think you should do as I say.  Neither did I say that we should ignore books, but that they “are a guide,” because definitely they can help us learn from the mistakes of others and try to find better solutions.  Some of the Eastern European and Middle Eastern countries continue to make the same mistakes over and over, and all they wind up with is chaos.  That can't happen in North America because there is no place else to run to.

Nor do I feel that the people coming into to U.S. are the cause for the problems.  I don’t blame them in the least for taking advantage of an opportunity.

Sorry, that I made you feel angry and defensive.

Adios.

I’m not angry, I actually enjoy this post, to me is entertaining.  Of course you are entitle to your opinion, I’m also entitle to respond the way I would like, including sarcasm. And now that you talk about solutions, the main reason I read and write in this forum is because I’m waiting for somebody in your side of this topic, to give at least one “realistic solution” So far, I have only heard very passionate but impossible solutions.

El Critico:

Once again, sorry you feel that way, and like I have said before, you are the one that is going to be bitter about this for the rest of your live. You can call them whatever you want, the bottom line is: there is no way you can get them out. Is impossible. Don’t you think is better to legalize the people that are here, so we can hold them accountable? your only argument is they are illegal’s, but you offer no solutions.

Following the same logic...

You will never stop people from stealing cars, so why not make that legal, and then, if we will never stop MURDER, then why not legalize that too?

THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, they must go, get the heck out, I don't care where they go, just NOT HERE (the USA).

The solution is simple. They go home, they request legal entry, then they come in and follow the LAW. This country was founded on the rule of LAW, without law, it would be chaos, that is what the illegal aliens bring, they bring chaos.

Okay.  I enjoy these posts, too, and can be sometimes sarcastic.  My kids and I do it, but we can watch either's faces and know what's going on.

Your comment about why you "read and write in this form," I found interesting.  That is the reason I began posting to you.  I didn't find some  of the passionate but impossible, impratical solutions very inspiring.

What do you think about changing the "Immigration Laws"?  Some possible solutions there, I think that would work.

I have to sign off for now, but I am wondering if you have seen this website?  Lots of topics both serious and amusing, and some from people just tossing out weird ideas.  Maybe, you'll find it entertaining and interesting.

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/ 

rmnunez - Volcanic Erupter - R M Nunez is an attorney and professor in Mexico City.

Finally!!!!! Changing the immigration law, that will be a great start. The only problem I see with that, in order to do that both parties will have to agree, it is obvious that is almost impossible, president Bush have an idea but it did not go anywhere. I think there is an in-between point were they can meet, but that will mean that both sides have to open their minds a little. I will read the websites and I will comment later on them.