El Critico,Sir.What makes you think that you are better than all honest immigrates that came from Europe? You sir, are a Fungus that is destroying the intrastructure of the United States. Many of your Mex. family hide when the local police drive up, but my guess they are legal ! If your people think that it's going to be a party, stay tuned! The Real American people just have to be kicked in the teeth to stand and fight, but Lord be with you and your kind when the American has had enough.I'm sorry that your president treats Mexicans the way he does. But don't expect your northern neighbors to help you when you constantly break our laws.Tell your people to go home and get in line for welcomeing in the United States of America. We will love you if you are legal, hate you forever if you'er not.

El Critico:

Usted sabe cuantas tiendas en Over the rhine tenían avisos en alemán, cuando los alemanes se radicaron en cincinnati, o cuantos periódicos había en alemán. Es un ciclo, ellos aprenderán ingles y sus hijos aprenderán ingles. Usted no lo entiende y nunca lo entenderá. A la final, es usted el que tendrá que seguir amargado por el resto de su vida, por que la realidad es que nunca se va a deshacer de los inmigrantes.

 

 

Do you know how many stores with signs in german existed in Over the Rhine when the Germans settle in Cincinnati? Or how many news papers where in german? Is all a cycle, they will learn English, and their kids will learn English.  You don’t get it, and never will. The reality is that you will have to be bitter and grumpy for the rest of your live, because, you are never going to get rid off us!

 

I re-read this post and need to point something out in your error.

I am decended from Germans, My g-g-grandfather was born in Bavaria and settled in the OTR area, and yes, there is still a butcher shop with my family name on it even though it is now owned by LEGAL immigrants from somewhere on the Asian continent. My father learned German from his uncles, but they ALL spoke perfect English to enable business with the general public.

Perhaps a history lesson is needed, but the German names, street signs etc all were renamed or taken down because of a war in Europe and not because of "assimulation". Perhaps a second Spanish American War is what you desire.

What makes you think that I’m Mexican? What makes you think that I’m here illegally? If you can’t have a intelligent discussion with out calling people’s name, maybe you need to look for another forum. What are you going to do? Start killing immigrants? Go ahead, become a real criminal, you can write to us from jail and hates us more, we’ll continue to enjoy live and understanding with the open minded Americans.

And that is exactly my point, it is a cycle, that will happen with Spanish too

Hi, El Critico,  Maybe you're not Mexican, Cuban, or Spanish,, or you may be not even be Hispanic, or are you Filipino? -  Just kidding.  :~)

 

But, honestly, sometimes you confuse me as to whether in some your posts you are avoiding discussing “legal” versus  “illegal” immigrants.

 

Whether illegal aliens like it or not, for the US and every country, the first priority and moral obligation is  to do what is in the best interest of that country and its citizens, whether born or naturalized.  

 

The U.S.A , Mexico, and every countrry, has the obligaton to force those laws its immigration laws  to protect the country and its people, and hasa moral obligation to do so.

 

Any person, who disregards the laws of that country is there illegially.  Such persons in any country are criminals.

 

Why should we be the exception?  Because a foreign government (Mexico) says we should be?  Did Mexico, or any other country, ask for the opinion of any other country when it established its immigration laws?  In Mexico it is felony to enter the country illegally, and anyone caught faces serious time in jail.

 

Regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico  coming into the U.S.A., I think that Government of Mexico has been very hypocritical. The Mexican Government has been spreading a lot of propaganda, both to the people of Mexico and to the American government and its citizens.

 

 

 

hey P2U,  HE COULD BE.... there was a Brazilian Consolete in Montgomery (1988 or so) but do not know if he is still there.

I’m not avoiding the use of the term, I just think is a technicality, if we are going to be white or black on that, then we are all illegal, I’ll explain.  Every person that drives in the highway and is going 66 MPH or more on a 65 MPH zone are breaking the law, so they are illegal, according to most people in this post every one of them are criminals too. So let’s take every one of them to court and to jail!!!!!!!!

not exactly, there is a huge difference between a state or local law verses a federal law. Immigration is federal which is why a local sheriff has been prevented from acting on illegal aliens. Speed limit laws are enforced, 66 MPH will get you pulled over by the OSP in Butler Co.

I do not understand the reluctance to use the term ILLEGAL ALIEN, that pretty much discribes the status and is to the point. An alternative would be to call them "illegal transients", but since some work full time jobs and have stolen identities, they are not longer transient. Bottom line, they are illegally here and you cannot debate this simple fact, and they are aliens and not legal residents, another simple fact you cannot debate.

peace2u:

Hi, El Critico,  Maybe you're not Mexican, Cuban, or Spanish,, or you may be not even be Hispanic, or are you Filipino? -  Just kidding.  :~)

 

But, honestly, sometimes you confuse me as to whether in some your posts you are avoiding discussing “legal” versus  “illegal” immigrants.

 

Whether illegal aliens like it or not, for the US and every country, the first priority and moral obligation is  to do what is in the best interest of that country and its citizens, whether born or naturalized.  

 

The U.S.A , Mexico, and every countrry, has the obligaton to force those laws its immigration laws  to protect the country and its people, and hasa moral obligation to do so.

 

Any person, who disregards the laws of that country is there illegially.  Such persons in any country are criminals.

 

Why should we be the exception?  Because a foreign government (Mexico) says we should be?  Did Mexico, or any other country, ask for the opinion of any other country when it established its immigration laws?  In Mexico it is felony to enter the country illegally, and anyone caught faces serious time in jail.

 

Regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico  coming into the U.S.A., I think that Government of Mexico has been very hypocritical. The Mexican Government has been spreading a lot of propaganda, both to the people of Mexico and to the American government and its citizens.

 

 

 

As many times as we disagree, sometimes you make all the sense in the world!

My daughter is a legal immigrant.  Do it legally and learn the language.  That's all I ask.

It is exactly the same, you are proving my point. Most undocumented immigrants that are here, are hard working people, if they had the opportunity to come in here legally, they would!

You talk about enforcement, ICE also enforces the immigration law, but they can not deport everyone. Is the same with the speed limit; you can not pull over every single car, end everybody is going over the speed limit. You can not pick and choose when is convenient to use the word illegal. The law is the law; it does not matter if it is federal or local. What I’m trying to say, that we are all illegal’s, including you, (unless you have never gone past the speed limit) because you did not get caught does not means that you didn’t break the law. The bottom line is, we need to find the way to legalize the hard working immigrants that are here, and in the process we can get rid off the bad apples.

El Critico:

It is exactly the same, you are proving my point. Most undocumented immigrants that are here, are hard working people, if they had the opportunity to come in here legally, they would!

You talk about enforcement, ICE also enforces the immigration law, but they can not deport everyone. Is the same with the speed limit; you can not pull over every single car, end everybody is going over the speed limit. You can not pick and choose when is convenient to use the word illegal. The law is the law; it does not matter if it is federal or local. What I’m trying to say, that we are all illegal’s, including you, (unless you have never gone past the speed limit) because you did not get caught does not means that you didn’t break the law. The bottom line is, we need to find the way to legalize the hard working immigrants that are here, and in the process we can get rid off the bad apples.

[in my best imatation of AlGore...]
 
WRONG WRONG WRONG 

[AlGore mode off]

There is a difference. These people are CRIMINALS, they have broken into our country, they have tresspassed into our homeland, they have stolen our identities and the Butler Co Sheriff's office tells me that they have NOT been released.

For all we know, many of these poor unfortunates may be AlQuada cells, and since they are here illegally, no one knows for sure, which is a very good reason to round them up and herd them out.

The way to legalize the illegals is for them to return from where they came, and apply for a visa to enter the USA legally, and if that is not possible, then it is not possible, they need never to return, and allow these open jobs to return to Americans.

There are not visas available, I did not said that they were all release, must of them, and were are the charges against the company? And again, if we are talking about the law, you are an illegal too. Nobody wants terrorist in our country, and that is a better reason to start finding a way to include all the undocumented workers in to the system. If you offer them the opportunity to work legally, you will know who is who; and you can prevent terrorism. What you don’t understand is there is not a legal way to come to this country, there are not visas to give. That is way you need a reform in the system so we can know who is coming, and we can collect taxes, and benefit from immigrants. With hate, you are not going to solve anything, offer solutions, realistic and humanitarian solutions. Have you ever tried to talk to a illegal immigrant? You should give it a try, you might learn a thing or two, and you can also teach them a thing or two. There are bad apples, and nobody wants them, the same way that there are bad apples here. Don’t hate somebody for trying to provide the best for their families.

I for one don't hate you at all.  I hate what you're doing.  Many on these boards can't tell the difference.  It is an important one.

yeah, but... UNDOCUMENTED illegal aliens are an equal threat to US soverenty as that of AlQuada. They slither under our border and how are we to know is a just someone wanting to escape poverty or someone that is a car bomber?

Wouldn't the idea of no visas give someone the impression that they are not welcome? When the theater runs out of tickets, is it OK to storm the doors or sneak in thru the back door?

As Jesus said, do not hate the sinner, hate the sin. Well, the sin is stealing into the USA uninvited, breaking US laws. The sinner would be forgiven if they repent the sin and go home.

If I had the opportunity to speak to an illegal alien, I would be on the phone to Sheriff Jones with detailed info where to find this criminal.

Don’t you prefer to know who is coming in? That is why we need immigration reform were we can create temporally work visas and start keeping track of who is coming. All the terrorist in September 11 came from Canada, I don’t here you making a big deal about that. If you want to involve god in the conversation, I will tell you, that when he created the world he did not put borders or lines or wall in it. Wouldn’t that tell you something?

Of course you will call him, that is why you will never understand, you are never going to be proactive and try to understand the situation, and find you are going to choose the easy route to be stubborn and never see the benefits of diversity. Like I said before in this forum, that is your problem, you are not going to get rid of all of us, so you will be miserable for the rest of your live, and we will enjoy live with the rest of the American that do enjoy our company.